Another driver was with me, a man from Berlin named Orel or something like that. We then drove this vehicle to Kiev, too....

The gas van was deployed for the first time in Kiev. My job was just to drive the vehicle. The van was loaded by the local staff. About forty people were loaded inside. There were men women and children. I was supposed to tell the people they were going to be put to work. The people were pushed up a short ladder and into the van. The van door was then bolted shut, and the hose was attached. It was already in place - I did that, it was cold at the time. I drove through the town to the antitank ditches. The bodies were thrown into the antitank ditches. I am sure that it was in Kiev; I myself took part in this operation.