NMT01-T667
Volume I · Page 667
A. Yes.
Q. Now, after these injections with pus, did abscesses develop on the inmate?
A. The greater part of those who were treated biologically, or rather, all of them, developed abscesses and very deep abscesses. Some of the persons who received allopathic and prophylactic treatment with sulfanilamide had no abscesses.
Q. Did the inmates who endured this treatment suffer pain?
A. Yes.
Q. Severe pain? A. As far as I know, the pain was very severe.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
Dr. Seidl: The next document which I intend to submit to the witness is NO–409 which has been submitted by the prosecution as Exhibit 249. It is a letter from Reich Physician SS Dr. Grawitz to the Reich Leader SS Himmler dated 29 August 1942. It refers to the biochemical treatment of sepsis. This document came to your knowledge, didn't it? And this is shown by a comment you wrote: "Seen at Ravensbrueck on 3 September 1942. (Signed) KARL Gebhardt." Did you know beforehand about the performance of these experiments and did you agree with them?
Defendant Gebhardt: I did not have any previous knowledge of these experiments, and with regard to this document may I state somewhat more in detail what it shows? This is a letter to Himmler, dated the end of August, and signed by Grawitz. It was never mentioned that I was to receive this letter or that this letter was to be routed through me. It does not have any note from me to the effect that I countersigned it, or was in agreement with it, in this form. It was also not discussed in Berlin or Hohenlychen or in the headquarters, but in Ravensbrueck, and, in particular, on 3 September when this discussion took place between Grawitz and me, because of the second group of our sulfanilamide experiments. Grawitz, who at that time came in order to show us that he was not in agreement, as far as I can recall, brought this letter and this description along from Dachau. We then discussed it in detail, because on my part there were many reasons for raising the sharpest protest against it. And, may I point out how much can be seen from this document about
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*Complete testimony is recorded in mimeographed transcript, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10 March 1947, PP. 3931-4256.
