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that a German Reich law was contrary to an obligation of the Reich
under international law. Then the Reich Supreme Court was not able to say
the indictment is refused because the Reich law- which supports the
indictment is contrary to international law. The Reich Supreme Court could do
nothing but either to postpone the trial and to report to the government so
that perhaps changes would be made in time, but it was not even obliged to do
that. It was obliged only if it did make a decision to decide in accordance
with national law if it was contrary to the international law. That was the
legal situation during the Weimar republic.
Q. That answers my
question. * * * The Reich Supreme Court would in proper cases lay down the rule
that the lower court judge should enforce the German law even though it
violated some principle of international law for which Germany as a state might
be diplomatically held responsible, is that true?
A. No, that is not
quite correct I said that the Reich Supreme Court, just the same as the other
German courts, in regard to this question, did not have any doubts at all, and
therefore, it did not make any rules with which the lower courts had to comply.
That was not necessary at all.
Q. Then the lower courts themselves
recognized this rule of which you speak that they must enforce the law of the
State oven though it violates a principle of international law?
A. Yes,
and they only had to look at the Anschuetz commentary; that said so expressly.
Q. Well, at least prior to 1918, was there any tribunal other than the
court of the state which could punish the public officer or a judge, for making
a decision which was contrary to international law, if it was made in
compliance with the law of the state?
A. No.
Q. If the principle
enunciated among other bodies by the first tribunal, the IMT Tribunal, namely,
the principle of the penal responsibility of an individual officer for
violations of international law, should be applied, then you have, do you not,
a modification of your principle which you have stated with reference to the
necessity that judges must obey the law of the state. In other words, if that
principle of penal responsibility of the individual has become a part of
international law, then the anomalous situation would arise where the officer,
perhaps the judge, may have been required by his state law to make a decision,
but may, nevertheless, be responsible if any tribunal has jurisdiction to try
him, for a decision contrary to international law. Isn't that true?
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