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Q. Section IV or a subsection,
and if so which subsection?
A. He led section IV A-4. This section had
two spheres; the church and the other Jewish problem.
Q. You have
before you a diagram showing the position of subsection IV A-4b from the RSHA?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you prepare this diagram?
A. Yes. I made
the diagram myself.
Q. Does it correctly portray the organizational
set-up showing the sections dealing with Jewish problems?
A. Yes. It
concerns the section at the beginning of the year 1944, and its personnel.
Q. Referring to this chart and the list of leading personnel as shown
in the lower section of the paper, were you personally acquainted with each of
the individuals named therein?
A. Yes. I knew all of them myself.
Q. What was the particular mission of IV A-4b of the RSHA?
A.
This section, IV A-4b, was concerned with the Jewish question. Eichmann had
special powers from Mueller, the chief of Amt IV, and from the chief of the
Security Police. He was responsible for the so-called solution of the Jewish
question in all of Germany and all occupied countries.
Q. Were there
distinct periods of activity affecting the Jews?
A. Yes.
Q.
Describe to the Tribunal the approximate periods and the different types of
activity.
A. Yes. Until the year 1940 the general policies were in
Germany and in the occupied countries to settle this through planned
immigration. The second phase, the concentration of Jews in Poland and the rest
of the occupied territories in the East; to have them concentrated in ghettos.
This period was approximately until the beginning of 1942. And the third
period, the final solution of this problem, the planned destruction of the
Jewish race. This period covered the period until October 1944, until Hitler
gave the order to stop this period of destruction or annihilation.
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| In Salonika Jews were concentrated in
certain quarters or certain parts of the city. In Salonika there were about
60,000 Jews of Spanish descent. Beginning March, after this concentration had
taken place, there was a wire from Eichmann to Brunner directing him for the
immediate transportation of Jews of Salonika and Macedonia to transport them to
Auschwitz. With this order Brunner and I went to the military administration.
No exceptions were to be made and the measures were carried through as planned.
Brunner himself led this action in Salonika. The trans- [
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