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clear; namely, that Herr von der Heyde, speaking quite generally, reported on this meeting to the effect that a certain cooperation was to be brought about because, at any rate, we could not avoid complying with these wishes, because what was called "desire" or "wish" at that time was in reality already an order. I recall also that Herr von der Heyde then said that if there were individual cases he would contact the Sales Combines, or vice versa, the Sales Combines would contact him or the agency — I don't know what agency, I am not quite sure — but at any rate, the agency mentioned here. The contents submitted I see for the first time today.

MRS. KAUFMAN: That will be all.  
 
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b. Testimony of Defendant Ilgner 
 
EXTRACTS FROM THE TESTIMONY OF
DEFENDANT ILGNER¹  
 
DIRECT EXAMINATION 
 
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DR. NATH (counsel for defendant Ilgner) : I shall now turn to a new subject: the Foreign Organization of the Nazi Party, Prosecution's Trial Brief, pages 56 to 93. I should like to put a number of questions to you in that regard. In Document    NI-4959, Prosecution Exhibit 363,² book 14, English page 9, which is mentioned in the Trial Brief on page 56, mention is made of Farben's relationship with the Foreign Organization. Could you tell me something about that?

DEFENDANT ILGNER: Those are the minutes of the Commercial Committee meeting of 10 September 1937. It has been discussed here at such length that I don't have to elaborate on it. It's the well-known window dressing.³ But quite generally let me say this: the matter is quite clear. Two worlds were confronting each other: the National Socialist ideology as opposed to German export interests. The Foreign Organization was a Party organization, and they had their instructions and their own duties to fulfill. Farben, on the other hand, had economic interests. They had the task to export. We were a business enterprise, and as a result there were divergent interests.

Q. And where did these controversies show themselves?  
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¹ Further extracts are reproduced above in section IV D. below in section VII O 7, and in section VIII, subsections C S and E 4, vol. VIII, this series.
² Reproduced in part above in subsection C 4.
³ Concerning the defense of "window dressing,'' see section V, 'Compulsion in Hitler's Third Reich and the Defense of Window Dressing'."




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