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clear; namely, that Herr von der Heyde, speaking quite generally,
reported on this meeting to the effect that a certain cooperation was to be
brought about because, at any rate, we could not avoid complying with these
wishes, because what was called "desire" or "wish" at that time was in reality
already an order. I recall also that Herr von der Heyde then said that if there
were individual cases he would contact the Sales Combines, or vice versa, the
Sales Combines would contact him or the agency I don't know what agency,
I am not quite sure but at any rate, the agency mentioned here. The
contents submitted I see for the first time today.
MRS. KAUFMAN: That
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EXTRACTS FROM THE TESTIMONY OF DEFENDANT ILGNER¹
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DR. NATH (counsel for defendant Ilgner) : I shall now turn to a new
subject: the Foreign Organization of the Nazi Party, Prosecution's Trial Brief,
pages 56 to 93. I should like to put a number of questions to you in that
regard. In Document NI-4959,
Prosecution Exhibit 363,² book 14, English page 9, which is mentioned in
the Trial Brief on page 56, mention is made of Farben's relationship with the
Foreign Organization. Could you tell me something about that?
DEFENDANT
ILGNER: Those are the minutes of the Commercial Committee meeting of 10
September 1937. It has been discussed here at such length that I don't have to
elaborate on it. It's the well-known window dressing.³ But quite generally
let me say this: the matter is quite clear. Two worlds were confronting each
other: the National Socialist ideology as opposed to German export interests.
The Foreign Organization was a Party organization, and they had their
instructions and their own duties to fulfill. Farben, on the other hand, had
economic interests. They had the task to export. We were a business enterprise,
and as a result there were divergent interests.
Q. And where did these
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__________ ¹ Further extracts are
reproduced above in section IV D. below in section VII O 7, and in section
VIII, subsections C S and E 4, vol. VIII, this series. ² Reproduced in
part above in subsection C 4. ³ Concerning the defense of "window
dressing,'' see section V, 'Compulsion in Hitler's Third Reich and the Defense
of Window Dressing'."
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