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A. Yes.
Q. And is it also correct that Dr. Ilgner, beginning
with summer or autumn, 1938, until the middle of 1940, was absent from Berlin
because of illness?
A. Yes.
Q. Dr. Frank-Fahle, you know Dr.
Ilgner’s organization from your own experience very well. I ask you, was
it true that the deputy at the time — Dr. Ilgner's deputy, Dr. Krueger
— was in charge of the organization during Dr. Ilgner's absence; very
independently, without any question being asked, or any directives being given
to him?
A. Yes.
Q. Isn't it even true that after Dr. Ilgner's
return from his long absence, in the middle of 1940, one had the impression as
though there was a double direction in this organization, Dr. Ilgner, and, too,
Dr. Krueger?
A. Certainly. I even remember that Dr. Ilgner was not in
agreement with a few measures that Dr. Krueger had taken.
Q. Weren't
Dr. Ilgner's absences, which we have just discussed now, so extended that it
was not even possible for him to get instructions or to issue instructions
about business administration during his absence?
A. I believe that I
already expressed that to Mr. Sprecher.
Q. And is it, furthermore,
correct, Dr. Frank-Fahle, that Dr. Ilgner practically could not inform himself
of business matters during his absences since these were so extended that the
records during that time of his absences were much too extensive?
A. I
assume that to be so.
Q. Dr. Frank-Fahle, from your own knowledge, do
you know that Dr. Ilgner, even when he was present in Berlin, very often
received piles of documents about matters in the business which he couldn't
even read for months on end?
A. That is absolutely so.
Q. So
that one might well conclude that Dr. Ilgner, who was very active, returned
from such a trip with a lot of ideas that he wanted to pursue, that he didn't
even have the time to read those records which Mr. Sprecher mentioned a few
minutes ago?
A. Yes. That is so.
DR. VON KELLER (counsel for
defendant von Schnitzler); Witness, when you called this meeting spontaneously,
did you have any concrete documents for the political policy of the German
Government in the future?
A. No, I merely had the precedent of Austria
to go on.
Q. Thank you. When you called this meeting, then you did so
primarily because you wanted to inform yourself personally of
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