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| also guilty and that we wanted
to pass the buck to those already dead. I ask this Tribunal, those dead men,
weren't they really responsible — men like Himmler, Gluecks, Lolling,
Grawitz, Globocnik, and Loritz? All these men committed suicide and that could
only be under the pressure of their guilt. If I myself had wanted to leave
Germany, I don't think it would have been difficult for me to obtain a passport
as chief of the passport section and to go abroad, if I was under the
impression that I had such a guilt of blood on me. Eicke, Heydrich, Hoess, and
Kammler are dead. I believe that I can assert — JUDGE MUSMANNO: Hoess did not commit suicide. DEFENDANT FRANK: No. He was executed. Koch also was executed, what I wish to say by that is that these men are dead and I believe that I can say that if this dozen men would be sitting here in the defendants' dock today, then the bookkeepers of Amtsgruppe A would not be sitting in the first row of the defendants' dock. |
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| JUDGE PHILLIPS: How did you think that
these people were laborers; when under "E" in your order you say women's
clothing and women's underwear, including footwear; children's clothing, and
children's underwear, including footwear, have to be handed over?
DEFENDANT FRANK: Yes. I believe that would come from camps, and it must have come from camps because Globocnik himself reports that he had sixty-five thousand pairs of shoes manufactured and over one million and a half of clothes; in other words those things had to be manufactured; they must have been manufactured; and they were manufactured for those resettled persons. Q. I am not talking about manufacturers; I am talking about turning over goods that they already have, and what you have to do with it in the future. A. In that accompanying letter it was stated expressly that it was property of the persons who were in the camps which was to be taken away from them due to lack of space; then, there were stocks of goods, so I could not possibly assume that the people had been killed before those things were taken away from them. It is quite clear, that if today — it would not be different here in Germany either — people are sent to a camp and they take along two, three, four, or five suitcases, they cannot possibly carry those things around with them, and that only a certain amount can be used; a second suit or some underwear for changing. Q. Well, if that was what you thought, why did you preface your order with this statement: "Property which will in all orders in the future be called goods originating from thefts, receiving of |
