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stolen goods, and hoarded goods." If that was true then, you ordered in all orders in the future about these goods that these goods should be confiscated, did you not?

A. Yes. That was in the order of the Reich Leader and I have stated before that those things mostly originated from camps, and among those there were also certain camps which had been confiscated by the Gestapo agent of Globocnik as black market camps and that is where the concept probably originates. I do not deny the fact that these people had to give up all those additional things, that is, for instance, the skirt or their underwear which they could do without easily, that those things were taken away from them, and that this was a violation of the principles of property; I do not deny that.
 
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  MR. ROBINS : Witness, after you heard Himmler’s speech in Poznan, you had no doubt that the policy of the Reich and the policy of the SS were committed to the extermination of the Jews, did you?

DEFENDANT FRANK: Yes, quite.

JUDGE PHILLIPS: Was that in '42 or '43 ?

MR. ROBBINS: October '43, your Honor. You say you did not have any doubt?

DEFENDANT FRANK: It was in October 1943 when I heard Himmler's speech at Poznan and I heard it as chief of the administration of the police.

Q. And at that time it became clear to you that the policy of the Reich was the extermination of the Jews? I did not quite get your answer?

A. No doubt could be possible anymore after that. As a man of thinking faculties I had to deduce from Himmler's speech what he wanted to say.

Q. Is that the first time you heard about this, his policy?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that the first time that you heard that Jews had been killed in concentration camps?

A. I heard for the first time there, that the German Reich had proclaimed an extermination program against the whole of Jewry, who had associated against Hitler.

Q. That is not quite what I asked you. Had you heard prior to that time that Jews had been killed in concentration camps?

A. No.

Q. Had you heard they had died in concentration camps on a large scale?

A. No. That people died in concentration camps was clear to

 
 
 
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