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Q. But this was a meeting, was it not, of the Abwehr men from the
plants around Halle, including Leuna; is that right?
A. That was the
only meeting in which I participated as far as I again remember now. It was the
only meeting in which nothing was discussed but in which only lectures were
given by the officers of the Gestapo or the SD. I could not avoid complying
with this invitation.
Q. Yet you were the chief Abwehr agent of the SD
and the RSHA in Farben for the whole Farben enterprise, as well as being Abwehr
agent for the OKW. Now, isn't that true?
A. Yes. First I was Abwehr
officer for the OKW and after my appointment also by obligation, I was Abwehr
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Q. Now, do you ever recall the defendant von der Heyde saying
anything like the following in your presence — and I don't ask you to
remember the exact words — I mean the following, in substance: "No trip
abroad, no stay abroad, no visit from abroad, no report from abroad, no
exchange of news or experience with foreign countries, except with the thought
whether the Abwehr or one of its foreign branches is interested in it."
A. That's possible. It's possible that von der Heyde, after the first
meeting which we probably had with the Abwehr representatives from the OKW,
transmitted these points of the program which I elucidated yesterday.
Q. Now, you stated that the OKW was not satisfied with your
cooperation, or with the cooperation or the assistance of I.G. Farben in
connection with Abwehr matters. Who from the OKW informed you of that?
A. I explained that yesterday. That was clearly expressed by the report
of Major Focke which he made to the Vorstand in the year 1944, in Heidelberg.
Q. Well, before 1944 do you recall any similar report from any OKW man?
A. No.
Q. No. Now, to go to the contrary position, do you
recall any report in which the OKW said it was very satisfied with the very
valuable assistance of Farben?
A. Yes, a form of politeness was used. I
think that was at the time when Major Bloch went back to the Wehrmacht to go to
the front. Then, they sent me, and I think other gentlemen of IG also, letters
where such expressions were used, but I thought that these letters were merely
polite phrases and I didn't take them for fact. I am certain, however, that all
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